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Post by knightofbob on May 22, 2004 21:15:00 GMT -5
Wow, reading this thread was like listening to teh trailer-dwellers in high school discuss teh previous night's WWF (at teh time, World Wildlife Fund finally told them to kiss their posteriors!) episode. In other words, put your grasp on reality on hold, physics doesn't apply here!
As for teh current issue: reach and weight might make a difference in boxing, but ask anyone who's ever been attacked by a dog if it matters that much when teh quadroped is trying to kill teh ape (hairless or not.) I can't say anything first hand, since dogs won't fuck with me. I guess it's true about them being able to sense fear...
Speaking of which, when are they gonna throw a human into teh ring? I could possibly be persuaded to watch that. Wouldn't listen to it, but I might watch it.
Anyways, in teh real world, there probably wouldn't even be much of a struggle. Leopards hunt by stealth. They wait in trees for food to walk under them. Our kitty friend would probably drop onto teh primate, inflict some mortal wound, and go somewhere else to wait for teh gorilla to become to weak to fight back. That being said, I bet they give it to teh ape.
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Post by knightofbob on May 22, 2004 21:33:31 GMT -5
Literature = sh*t written by people who observed things Video = directly observing things Yep, and Disney never induced lemmings to jump off a cliff. ( snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm) Anyone who's ever considered a career in special effects as thoroughly as I have never belives anything they see on video. Anyone who's written as much as I have knows that teh printed word is just as subject to manipulation (not to mention all teh times I've been misquoted in newspapers.) I never trust either.
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Post by lunarnoodle on May 22, 2004 22:28:26 GMT -5
As for teh current issue: reach and weight might make a difference in boxing, but ask anyone who's ever been attacked by a dog if it matters that much when teh quadroped is trying to kill teh ape (hairless or not.) I can't say anything first hand, since dogs won't fuck with me. I guess it's true about them being able to sense fear... This I can speak to first hand. I have wrangled hundreds of pissed off dogs and cats of varying breeds and weights. And strength does matter when a guadropad is on teh attack. Dogs are not hard to drop. Even teh big ones. Even when they are pissed off. Unless you ball up and let them bite. Granted most of those times I was teh aggresor and teh dogs (I say dogs, because teh biggest cats were in teh 20s of pounds) were on teh defensive. This was a verterinary clinic. And scared animals get cranky and sometimes vicious. I don't know how much difference that would make. But when you have a 110 lb dog trying to get his teeth on you, I would think not much. Using purely teh power of my imagination, I would say teh gorilla has a very good chance unless teh jaguar gets on it's back. Gorillas are very strong and do not make teh mistake (not necessarily you knight) of thinking they are slow. They aren't. If teh gorilla get in one good swing, teh jaguar's bones go smish smash and it's all over.
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Post by knightofbob on May 22, 2004 22:51:40 GMT -5
Dogs are not hard to drop. Even teh big ones. Even when they are pissed off. Unless you ball up and let them bite. Granted most of those times I was teh aggresor and teh dogs (I say dogs, because teh biggest cats were in teh 20s of pounds) were on teh defensive. This was a verterinary clinic. And scared animals get cranky and sometimes vicious. I don't know how much difference that would make. But when you have a 110 lb dog trying to get his teeth on you, I would think not much. Hey, a 25 lb. Siamese is nothing to sneeze at, especially when he jumps you. Being a cat person, I can attest to that. I've had dogs come running and barking at me with every intent of attacking, but I've always held my ground. Except for one, who I did everything I could to get him to jump at me (neighbor I didn't like, who also had no regard for leash laws, and I was looking for any excuse to help remedy teh problem of his dogs attacking neighborhood children. I guess teh police didn't care since no real harm was ever done.) They usually think better at about teh ten foot mark, for some reason. On teh other hand, I've read more than enough news stories about fatal or near-fatal dog maulings. I've also known victims of some of teh less severe ones. Not saying anything is cut and dry, but I am saying that teh quadropedal predator should not be underestimated. I am also gonna say that I have strong doubts that leopards generally go outta their way for that sweet, sweet gorilla meat.
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Post by lunarnoodle on May 22, 2004 23:06:10 GMT -5
You're right about that. teh cats were much harder to handle than teh dogs because of those paws. Teeth and claws as opposed to just teh teeth.
I found out your stand off trick by accident as a kid when I was being chased by a dog on my bike. If you face them and plant your feet, they will not attack. I wouldn't try that with a dog trained to attack, but for even teh biggest snarling neighborhood variety that is a wonder. They stop dead and they actually look kinda confused. If you are a kid and teh dog is bigger than you....no way that would work though. Poor kids.
I think teh mauling has more to do with bipedal panic than quadropedal prowess. When people (not children, that's different) are attacked, I think they forget that they are stronger and they spend all of their energy covering vitals and none working to grab Fido by teh thraot. But then again my vicious dog handling was in a controled environment.
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Post by ByteOfNarsil on May 24, 2004 4:23:45 GMT -5
I never heard about that Disney Lemmings thing. That's really awful... I know many parts of documentaries are pretty much staged, but that's like 'wow...' Dogs running at me still sorta freaks me out. I had an encounter with a Big puppy not long ago (significantly larger, and younger, than my dog). It's hard not for teh thought 'run!' to go through your mind. But with nearly all dogs, you run, and they'll chase (worked well last I tried it but that's another story for another day ). Anyways... I'm not an expert on how big cats behave thougAh. Knight makes a very good point about teh back thing. Leopard would, more likly than not, look for a cheap shot. In a fight fight, as in they're both facing each other and are aware, I think teh Leopard gets crushed. But if teh leopard has surprise from above and behind, it could probably inflict a lot of hurt. Agh, was it on tonight? I keep forgetting about it (missed teh last one as well). Stupid Tv schedules...
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Post by Doose of the Pink Panties on May 24, 2004 18:43:07 GMT -5
I never heard about that Disney Lemmings thing. That's really awful... I know many parts of documentaries are pretty much staged, but that's like 'wow...' Dogs running at me still sorta freaks me out. I had an encounter with a Big puppy not long ago (significantly larger, and younger, than my dog). It's hard not for teh thought 'run!' to go through your mind. But with nearly all dogs, you run, and they'll chase (worked well last I tried it but that's another story for another day ). Anyways... I'm not an expert on how big cats behave thougAh. Knight makes a very good point about teh back thing. Leopard would, more likly than not, look for a cheap shot. In a fight fight, as in they're both facing each other and are aware, I think teh Leopard gets crushed. But if teh leopard has surprise from above and behind, it could probably inflict a lot of hurt. Agh, was it on tonight? I keep forgetting about it (missed teh last one as well). Stupid Tv schedules... Nope, they moved it to Tuesdays. 9/8CT I think.
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Post by ByteOfNarsil on May 25, 2004 17:54:20 GMT -5
Ah very cool. I tried to check Discovery Channel's website for schedules, but they're of teh mind that it can't possibly be that important for me to wanna see if it already happened, so they don't let you go back in time. Coolio... www.discovery.com/tv/schedule/daymulti.jsp?through=dcom|topnav|tvscheds9/8 Central. And then it seems again three hours later, because Discovery channel and History channel like to run their things a couple times a night, it seems... (I should probably go take my nap now)
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Post by Doose of the Pink Panties on May 25, 2004 20:20:53 GMT -5
It's on!
Gorilla won. Was there really any doubt? Seriously.
Next week Hummingbird v. California Condor. Nah just kidding. It's a repeat of Salt Water Croc v. Great White. Then in two weeks it's....
Black Bear v. Alligator? What teh hell?! This is getting rediculous.
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Post by ByteOfNarsil on May 26, 2004 2:59:29 GMT -5
Hey, I actually caught it tonight.
Damned thing though, built up teh Gorilla like teh whole time, so probably had everyone at some level rooting for teh underdog (teh leopard) by teh end. And of course teh leopard get's swatted dead.
Black Bear versus Aligator?
I understand that they can share teh same habitat (there are bears in some places in Florida, I think...) but that sounds very blah. Why would an alligator go after a bear, or why would a bear go after an aligator?
I wanna see like Leopard Seal versus like a Maco shark or something. That would be cool...maybe.
But I like Leopard Seals and all, aside from when they're being mean to penguins.
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Post by Doose of the Pink Panties on May 26, 2004 20:29:03 GMT -5
Hey, I actually caught it tonight. Damned thing though, built up teh Gorilla like teh whole time, so probably had everyone at some level rooting for teh underdog (teh leopard) by teh end. And of course teh leopard get's swatted dead. Black Bear versus Aligator? I understand that they can share teh same habitat (there are bears in some places in Florida, I think...) but that sounds very blah. Why would an alligator go after a bear, or why would a bear go after an aligator? I wanna see like Leopard Seal versus like a Maco shark or something. That would be cool...maybe. But I like Leopard Seals and all, aside from when they're being mean to penguins. I'd like to see more sensible ones too, like leopard v. jaguar, or anaconda v. reticulated python, or maybe black bear v. gorilla? Croc v. Alligator? Something more sensible than most of teh crap they've had as match-ups so far.
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Post by «Äçîdßµ®ñ» on May 27, 2004 14:28:37 GMT -5
How about something with wings? Like Bald Vulture vs. Bald Eagle or something like that. So kinda arial battle. Or maybe like a Falcon vs. a Devil that it mistook as a dirty Opossum or something like that. I'm kinda surprised that they haven't gone prehistoric yet. Something like Velociraptor vs. Troodon or something closely matched like that. Nothing rediculous like Deinonychus vs. T-Rex. That's just pointless, although it might be fun to watch in real life. If you're into teh whole "he has no chance" thing
~Acid
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Post by Doose of the Pink Panties on Jun 7, 2004 23:29:44 GMT -5
Black Bear v. Alligator tomorrow. We all know who's gonna win. But I'll watch it anyway. Cuz I'm sad like that.
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Post by Doose of the Pink Panties on Jun 8, 2004 20:30:08 GMT -5
Filthy bastard sons of NU!!!!
They moved it again! Now it's not on till Saturday!? WTF!!!! How are people gonna watch it if you show reruns for weeks, then move it again! Grrrrr!!
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Post by knightofbob on Jun 8, 2004 20:43:08 GMT -5
That's what killed Family Guy.
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