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Post by nastygirl on Jan 17, 2007 0:29:55 GMT -5
Dakota Fannings New Movie "Hounddog" is generating a whole lot of controversy due to a rape sceen of teh 12 year old Fanning. Now, my questions of debate are: Do you think this is appropriate for a 12 year old? Do you think its appropriate to portray teh rape of a 12 year old? Will this set off teh child porn addicts? Will you see this movie? What do you think teh effect is on this little girl? I dont have time to post more tonight, but in teh next day or so, Ill put my opinion in. In teh mean time, ponder on teh above.
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Post by Carebear0312 on Jan 17, 2007 1:21:01 GMT -5
Do you think this is appropriate for a 12 year old? Do you think its appropriate to portray teh rape of a 12 year old? Will this set off teh child porn addicts? Will you see this movie? What do you think teh effect is on this little girl?
Honestly I don't think it is appropriate at all. I don't think there is technically an age that it would appropriate for. Again, no I don't think it's appropriate to portray a scene of a 12 year old being raped. If it was happening in real life would it be okay for teh rapist to put it on television? I don't think so, why should it be appropriate for teh big screen? It probably will, needless to say I think Dakota Fanning is gonna become even more popular among teh pedos, thanks to this movie. I haven't decided on that one yet, a huge part of me doesn't wanna and another part of me is kinda curious. Needless to say I think teh part of me that doesn't wanna is gonna win this battle. Only, because I myself don't wanna re-live some of my horrible memories. I really don't think it will effect Dakota herself, because her mother is down for teh idea and all of that jazz. That and she isn't really being raped, she is just acting like she was raped. I do however think it will effect other rape victims. I believe that it will probably bring back some horrible memories and if a little girl who has been raped sees teh movie she will probably be effected by it.
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Post by Crimm on Jan 17, 2007 15:15:01 GMT -5
Yes it could easily be done in a way that is appropriate! What's teh point of creating a movie that avoids teh reality of teh world in which we live. It's a scary place, and I think that such a scene can be formulated in a way that puts its artistic merits beyond reproach. Some of teh most revered films are about teh darkest elements of humanity.
I personally do not think that it will effect Ms. Fanning but so much. She is an experienced actress, and she isn't teh first child to play rolls that are so traumatic. Jody Foster was only 13 when she played a prostitute in Taxi Driver, and she seems to have turned out to be a pretty stable person.
Trust me, it isn't gonna "trigger" child porn addicts to go on a rape spree; if they're into child porn odds are they already have access to teh real thing. teh reality here is that it is acting, and I doubt there will be anything shown that comes remotely close to what these people look at on their own time. Studies have played down teh effect of pornography on sexual predation, so I think claiming that a movie, in which teh act will at teh very least be obscured (and not actually occurring) isn't likely to trigger attacks regardless of pre-existing access to real child pornography.
And maybe, but probably not in theaters.
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Post by ChibiMizuTenshi on Jan 17, 2007 18:11:00 GMT -5
I think it’s perfectly fine.
As Crimm of the snuggly bunnies said, it’s acting. Linda Blare(sp?) stabbed her crotch with a cross yelling “fuck you” and other obscenities during teh Exorcist and turned out perfectly fine. Infact, I believe she runs an organization to protect dogs. So age is not a factor for a young professional actor such as herself to be in such a role.
It is appropriate to portray.
Worse things have been shown. If teh concern is that someone underage will see it or someone with a similar experience will see it…they’re not be forced to watch it. Parents should be able to keep an eye on their kids and if someone was traumatized by a similar incident while younger, I’m sure there will be plenty of warnings in teh advertisement. After all, we’re hearing about it now.
Child porn addicts will remain addicts regardless of this movie coming out or not.
I wish we could round them all up and toss them over a sharp-jagged cliff, but till then, they’re out there. teh worse that’ll probably happen is that someone will upload that scene online and they’ll watch. I can almost guarantee that child porn addicts around teh country will not be triggered into worse actions.
Will I see teh movie?
I honestly don’t know. I hadn’t heard of this movie till now. I probably won’t just because teh genra isn’t one of my favorites. But my reason for not seeing it isn’t because of teh rape scene.
Effects on Dakota?
See first paragraph.
In teh end, this movie is probably trying to send a message to prevent child rape. By exposing teh public to this gross truth, they'll be more understanding of teh urgency of teh issue.
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Post by nastygirl on Jan 18, 2007 0:26:31 GMT -5
AH! Sorry it took so long to get back to this! I really intended to get this done yesterday.
Personally and with out reading any other responses (if there were any) I think that teh scene should be scrapped. It's too late to avoid psychological damage to teh child because teh scene is already shot. HOWEVER, it's not too late to pull it from teh movie to avoid any ideas to pedophiles and whatnot. That kind of imagery just fuels teh fire for those people. Look at teh porn industry if you’d like to argue that point. Porn is there to make people horny. teh same can be said about child porn, which is essentially what this would be for a predator. But no nudity, or just panties anyway.
What kind of mother would let their child do this? An annalist on teh news teh other night, who was a former star herself, said that in order to make teh scene believable, you hafta believe it yourself. Now, what does that entail? For a 12 year old child to BELIEVE she’s being raped. Seems to me that there is gonna be some kind of messed up something in all this. Why do we hafta have something like this in a movie anyway? What value will showing teh rape add to teh movie when there could have just as easily been an impression of rape. Fake or not, Ms. Fanning is gonna have some new thoughts on sex. A 12 year old is not mentally capable of handling such a heavy issue, especially when you hafta act it out. If she IS okay with this, there are some OTHER totally different issues that need to be dealt with there.
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Post by nastygirl on Jan 18, 2007 0:38:23 GMT -5
Various depates on teh issue. Ill add more links as they become available. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243318,00.html
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Post by Crimm on Jan 18, 2007 2:34:51 GMT -5
I realised that this was gonna be a worthless exchange after they decided to interview anyone who would cite U.S. code here, title 182256 and section 8 as making teh scene illegal.
This isn't a sexual act, it is ACTING, as such teh law is not applicable. Even if it were, teh artistic meritocracy of teh scene would be held up by some members of pretty much every community, ergo teh law would be found unconstitutional if applied to this movie. Anyone with any knowledge of law AT ALL would know teh law is not applicable, as teh court found in Miller v. California. teh movie would EASILY pass teh Miller Test.
By bandying it about Dr. Ted Baehr proves he is incapable of understanding even teh most simple elements of what he is there to talk about. Ergo: he is not an expert and his "expertise" is completely unfounded. teh fact Baehr worked in teh US Prosecutor's Office and he doesn't understand that makes me physically ill; it makes me more ill than teh concept of this movie.
Beyond that, teh debate isn't even moderated. teh "moderator" clearly has a set agenda, and his "counterpart" doesn't even talk until teh second half of teh entire exchange. This pretty much sets up one side to fail without any possibility of making their points. At that point teh other "moderator" takes over. Questions are rarely directed at teh ACTUAL expert on films.
Dramatic movies would not be dramatic if they didn't make an attempt to push issues that we may not wanna experience we couldn't call them drama..
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Post by nastygirl on Jan 18, 2007 15:13:23 GMT -5
Well, thats just one debate. Im looking for more and from both points of view. Unfortunately, that is teh only one I could find lastnight. Feel free to look for some too. I hafta work for teh next few days and wont have much time to do so.
I didnt read all of that debate so I dont know teh meat of it. I skimmed it to make sure it was on topic and posted it. There are sites that are Pro and against this movie. perhaps there is some information there.
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Post by Crimm on Jan 18, 2007 21:33:46 GMT -5
teh only point made that even seemed worth noting was teh enter scene was shot from teh shoulders up.
In other words: it's a sex scene in teh style that could easily be in a PG-13 movie, or on prime time broadcast TV.
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Post by ஐЅåddyஐ on Jan 25, 2007 10:04:25 GMT -5
from everything that i've read about teh movie it doesn't seem as though this was some gratuitous sex scene or anything. there was no nudity and though rape is implied it's not really overt. i don't see what teh big deal is. this isn't teh first time that a child has done scenes like this, they've done worse.
people bitch about movies being too unrealistic, too based in fantasy and then when someone actually touches on something realistic they have a fit about that. wtf?!?!
although dakota is only 12, she's incredibly mature for her age and i think that she's perfectly capable of handling it well.
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Post by Carebear0312 on Jan 25, 2007 15:03:33 GMT -5
teh more I read about teh movie teh more I learned that teh scene doesn't really show much. So I don't think that anyone is traumatized in it.
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Post by ஐЅåddyஐ on Jan 25, 2007 17:38:14 GMT -5
yea, they like show her head, her shoulder, her foot and her hand. it's not like it's a super explicit, violent scene or anything. i probably won't see it, just because i have a hard time seeing stuff like that happen to kids, even if it's more implied than overt.
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