DarkRaven35
Fresh Depends
If you can see me, it means you need to run.
Posts: 121
|
Post by DarkRaven35 on Mar 5, 2004 13:11:48 GMT -5
Okay, I'm bored, and I can't find teh search in this board, so I decided to make a Philosophy and debate thread.
If there is already such a thread, please tell me and give me linkage.
If I am outta line also tell me so, but do explain why.
If you just wanna insult me, or my intelligence, go on ahead! No need to be shy!
|
|
|
Post by FinnAgain on Mar 5, 2004 13:49:14 GMT -5
Okay, I'm bored, and I can't find teh search in this board, so I decided to make a Philosophy and debate thread.
If there is already such a thread, please tell me and give me linkage.
If I am outta line also tell me so, but do explain why.
If you just wanna insult me, or my intelligence, go on ahead! No need to be shy! it's allowed and quite possible although no real need to flame anybody. however, might I suggest you start us out with some sort of topic?
|
|
|
Post by porno librarian on Mar 5, 2004 15:17:30 GMT -5
If you just wanna insult me, or my intelligence, go on ahead! No need to be shy! U R stupd. U prolly h8 IY cuz ur a dumass. Dun be mean to my b/f.
|
|
DarkRaven35
Fresh Depends
If you can see me, it means you need to run.
Posts: 121
|
Post by DarkRaven35 on Mar 5, 2004 15:20:51 GMT -5
Very well.....
Hmmm topic....?
Let's see, I just recently read A Brave New World. Do you(As in whomever is reading this) think that it would be better to condition people to a certin frame of mind? are we already being conditioned, but do not know it? Do you think if we could be programmed to be happy all teh time, should we?
|
|
Wanker
Soiled Depends
[insert personal text here]
Posts: 56
|
Post by Wanker on Mar 6, 2004 5:19:41 GMT -5
Very well.....
Hmmm topic....?
Let's see, I just recently read A Brave New World. Do you(As in whomever is reading this) think that it would be better to condition people to a certin frame of mind? are we already being conditioned, but do not know it? Do you think if we could be programmed to be happy all teh time, should we?
I think that could be a good idea, but would definitly want a choice in teh matter. Some people might find it worth giving up other emotions to be happy all teh time, others may not. teh descision should be left to teh individual person. Some people may wanna experience all of teh emotions/mindsets that there are out there and it wouldn't be right to take that away from someone even if you'd be granting them happiness. There's definitly a possibility we're unwittingly being conditioned and influenced all teh time through all teh various forms of media, not sure to what extent though.
|
|
DarkRaven35
Fresh Depends
If you can see me, it means you need to run.
Posts: 121
|
Post by DarkRaven35 on Mar 6, 2004 21:23:06 GMT -5
teh problem is, that you wouldn't have a choice. You would just feel happy all teh time, or take a pill that will make you happy.
I think it's wrong. It is human to be in pain, to have unhappiness. To be human is to suffer all teh aflictions of teh whole spectrem of emotion. To take that away is to take away their humanity. It is just wrong.
|
|
Wanker
Soiled Depends
[insert personal text here]
Posts: 56
|
Post by Wanker on Mar 7, 2004 19:49:44 GMT -5
So my opinion: If you have a choice in teh matter, it's okay. If you don't have a choice in teh matter, definitly wrong. You can't just take people's emotions away from them against their will.
|
|
|
Post by Doose of the Pink Panties on Mar 7, 2004 20:01:09 GMT -5
So my opinion: If you have a choice in teh matter, it's okay. If you don't have a choice in teh matter, definitly wrong. You can't just take people's emotions away from them against their will. Yeah, but in teh book she's talking about teh people never knew any other way. They were conditioned from birth. Sooo they don't know what they're missing. Is it still wrong then?
|
|
Wanker
Soiled Depends
[insert personal text here]
Posts: 56
|
Post by Wanker on Mar 7, 2004 20:09:48 GMT -5
Yeah, but in teh book she's talking about teh people never knew any other way. They were conditioned from birth. Sooo they don't know what they're missing. Is it still wrong then? Yeah, I should read that book, sounds kinda similar to "teh Giver" though. And I think it's still wrong even if they don't know what they're missing. Because then they've never even had a chance to feel any of teh other emotions and it would be impossible to make a choice. Being able to choose is important.
|
|
|
Post by ஐЅåddyஐ on Mar 7, 2004 21:25:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but in teh book she's talking about teh people never knew any other way. They were conditioned from birth. Sooo they don't know what they're missing. Is it still wrong then? i think it is. regardless of whether they were conditioned from birth or not. depriving someone of teh ability to feel, of teh freedom to have their own emotions, just wrong. i mean how would you really be able to define happiness if you never knew sadness or anger or disappointment?
|
|
|
Post by porno librarian on Mar 7, 2004 23:09:39 GMT -5
*grins* you should all watch teh movie "Equilibrium." It plays on that theme and has fuckin' awesome action sequences to boot.
|
|
|
Post by FinnAgain on Mar 9, 2004 16:46:44 GMT -5
Very well.....
Hmmm topic....?
Let's see, I just recently read A Brave New World. Do you(As in whomever is reading this) think that it would be better to condition people to a certin frame of mind? are we already being conditioned, but do not know it? Do you think if we could be programmed to be happy all teh time, should we?
As mah woman stated, Equilibrium kicks ass on this topic, and has gun-fu. Now. This seems to be one of teh prime problems that Plato's Republic suffers from. teh dictatorship of teh beneficial is still a dictatorship. Even enlightened tyrants are still tyrants. Freedom, true freedom, can not exist in teh vacuum of non-emotion. Freedom must be a choice, a goal to work towards. Freedom must be sweet because of bitter tears, otherwise it is an opium dream. Now, any process which would make people happy-all-teh-time would be teh physical/chemical equivelant to a lobotomy. You would quite literally hafta eliminate teh large majority of human thinking/feeling mechanisms. Most likely through drugs. Mere conditioning would break down on teh more intelligent individuals in a society. Teach people anything you wanna, but with enough raw intelligence they will begin looking behind what they've been taught to figure out what they really KNOW. (eg. teh Enlightenment vs. teh Age of Faith) A conditioned populace would need, either explicitly or implicitly, to restrict domains of thought. Namely teh entire sphere of teh normative. This would, in short order, lead to complete stagnation unless teh 'leadership caste' was allowed to have drive and passion. Now. Teaching all of society teh mechanisms needed to create happiness would be a good thing. Teach all children how to meditate, how to use language more effectively, teach them about social relationships, about wuv/life/sex/drugs/rock n' roll; along with math, science, literature. Neither sphere is more important, and it would create young people better equiped to deal with all facets of teh world they found themselves living in.
|
|
|
Post by that's so raven! on Mar 20, 2004 5:48:52 GMT -5
Do you think if we could be programmed to be happy all teh time, should we?
nods to what Finn said, plus-- happiness is subjective. Teenie Bopalot might be happy alternately watching "Bring It On" and "A Walk In teh Clouds" & eating Chunky Monkey on a lips couch with InuYasha for teh rest of her life, but my happiness is gonna require a bit more of teh sex/drugs/rock&roll element (and also that bitch's hands off my Puppyface )... so you see, 'happiness' could not be uniformly conferred by any means except that which would take advantage of our shared physiology; namely, drugs. Drugs are good for temporary fun, and a vacation from reality, but when teh vacation is extended over teh course of a lifetime, you've basically got a bunch of zombies with happy helmets. Is that real happiness? I think anything that has to confer happiness via excision of teh ability to make rational judgments is simply a blindfold... thus teh issue really becomes "Is Ignorance Bliss?"
|
|
|
Post by eville_alchemist on Mar 22, 2004 19:23:38 GMT -5
one thing: Free Wiill = Happiness
|
|
DarkRaven35
Fresh Depends
If you can see me, it means you need to run.
Posts: 121
|
Post by DarkRaven35 on Mar 22, 2004 19:25:35 GMT -5
one thing: Free Wiill = Happiness But free will is also teh choice to be unhappy, and also, all of humanity has free will, yet humanity is not happy. I agree free will is a factor in happiness, but that does not create it.
|
|