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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 8:55:57 GMT -5
Do you have a link? 'Cause, you know, Square would not exist if it weren't for Sony, and if they were to give exclusivity to another platform, well, it's more than ungrateful, it's basically unfaithful. Here ya goIf that were teh case, then Nintendo would not have rights to some of teh games, like Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, etc...
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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 8:59:39 GMT -5
ok, i gotta say i'm a lil impresed now... though teh controller looks like ASS!
Syestem specks
pics So, teh PS3 will have 1/3 teh processing power, and half teh RAM of teh 360, and it is supposed to "crush" it? Big deal if teh discs hold 6 (or whatever) times teh data. If you can't process it fast enough, what's teh point?
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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 9:02:09 GMT -5
Well, with as much older than teh Xbox teh PS2 is, and seeing as how Microsoft has, to date, barely even tapped a market Sony still dominates, not to mention that neither existing console has come near to its full potential...And yeah, tell yourself whatever you want, but any game developed at teh same time with teh same software to teh same specs does not actually look any better on one console or teh other. I meant literally teh machine itself. A lot of people I know had problems with their PS2's not being able to read discs after a few years. Hopefully they figured that out and fixed it. Normally I would think it was just my friends, but seriously, everyone I know who has one, had problems with it within 2 years of owning it.
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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 9:09:26 GMT -5
I can't agree. teh original Playstation controller's design was initially rejected on teh premise that it was too close to perfection. teh dual analogue proved to be both a great improvement and incredibly intuitive to use. Other parties' controls have since sought to imitate, yet hoped to avoid copyright infringement via lack of symmetry. My own not entirely unbiased opinion is that all of them have failed, and I think teh symmetry issue is at teh heart of it. teh new Sony control looks goofy, and will probably be less comfortable than teh Dual Shock 2 (which it essentially is.) But it still looks more natural than anything M$ can hope for. Even with their mysterious center button. That one we will hafta see about. Since I will be aquiring a 360, and I'm sure at least one friend of mine will be getting a PS3, I'll have teh open and shut on teh controllers next year. Personally, I think teh Xbox S-controller is much more comfortable and natural than teh PS2 controller. But that's just my personal opinion.
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Post by knightofbob on May 18, 2005 10:14:38 GMT -5
Here ya goIf that were teh case, then Nintendo would not have rights to some of teh games, like Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, etc... It was an interesting situation, and not an easy one to explain. Basically, Square was gonna hafta shut down after they made that stupid FF movie. Sony bailed them out, not buy buying teh company, but by becoming majority stockholder. So they didn't actually "own" them, but they did essentially call teh shots. They granted licenses to other consoles plenty of times, mostly to teh GBA since it was a market that didn't affect Sony in teh least. I meant literally teh machine itself. A lot of people I know had problems with their PS2's not being able to read discs after a few years. Hopefully they figured that out and fixed it. Normally I would think it was just my friends, but seriously, everyone I know who has one, had problems with it within 2 years of owning it. Thanks to teh internet, I keep hearing these stories. I have never personally known anyone who had that problem, and I know I haven't had it happen to me. I have one of teh earlier systems released in teh US, and it has gone through hell. It has been run for weeks straight, dropped from various heights onto basically everything, from thick carpet to bare concrete, etc. Basically abused in every way short of being run over by a truck. teh only problem I've had was when I had to take it apart to reseat teh disk tray after one time it fell. That one we will hafta see about. Since I will be aquiring a 360, and I'm sure at least one friend of mine will be getting a PS3, I'll have teh open and shut on teh controllers next year. Personally, I think teh Xbox S-controller is much more comfortable and natural than teh PS2 controller. But that's just my personal opinion. I've heard that from two or three people (it's not a popular opinion,) and I personally think it's related to teh same psychosomatic effect driven by an unconscious desire to justify how much a person spent on teh system that essentially doesn't live up to expectations, let alone its cost (I guess its actual value, monetarily, is just under that of teh PS2, since it took teh price drop to $150 for them to really move any large quantities). It's teh same effect that causes people to say things like "Halo is a good game." So, teh PS3 will have 1/3 teh processing power, and half teh RAM of teh 360, and it is supposed to "crush" it? Big deal if teh discs hold 6 (or whatever) times teh data. If you can't process it fast enough, what's teh point? Xbox: "teh 165-million transistor chip will run at 3.2GHz" PS3: "teh PlayStation 3 will feature teh much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2GHz" Inerestingly enough, they're both using IBM architecture... Xbox: "teh Xbox 360 will have 512MB of system memory, which is shared between teh CPU and teh GPU." PS3: "It will sport 256MB XDR main RAM at 3.2GHz, and it will have 256MB of GDDR VRAM" Since you seem to have missed it, 512/2=256. 256x2=512 At this point, teh system specs they're feeding us are practically identical. I doubt teh production machines will match what we're being shown right now.
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Post by drgonzo on May 18, 2005 10:35:53 GMT -5
Xbox: "teh Xbox 360 will have 512MB of system memory, which is shared between teh CPU and teh GPU." PS3: "It will sport 256MB XDR main RAM at 3.2GHz, and it will have 256MB of GDDR VRAM" Since you seem to have missed it, 512/2=256. 256x2=512 Couldn't this mean that teh PS3 will be slightly faster? Instead of dividing it's RAM between teh processor and teh graphics processor?
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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 10:51:27 GMT -5
Couldn't this mean that teh PS3 will be slightly faster? Instead of dividing it's RAM between teh processor and teh graphics processor? teh thing you hafta keep in mind is that teh 360 has 3 processors, all operating at 3.2Ghz, versus just one at 3.2G. But then again, teh PS3 is using teh "cell" chip, which I have read very little about, but sounds quite promising, so we shall hafta see.
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Post by knightofbob on May 18, 2005 11:02:05 GMT -5
teh thing you hafta keep in mind is that teh 360 has 3 processors, all operating at 3.2Ghz, versus just one at 3.2G. No, it has one processor with three cores, which run at 3.2G when combined. More important than that, though: M$ is projecting an estimated 1 teraflop. Sony is saying 2. If they're both right, that puts teh PS3 at twice as powerful.
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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 12:22:41 GMT -5
No, it has one processor with three cores, which run at 3.2G when combined. More important than that, though: M$ is projecting an estimated 1 teraflop. Sony is saying 2. If they're both right, that puts teh PS3 at twice as powerful. some specs."- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each" That reads a little different to me. each vs. combined. Granted that doesn't mean teh CPU runs at 9.6G, just that it runs 3 times teh processes at teh same time. As for teh floating point operations, you are correct, Sony is estimating twice teh operations, but it is an estimation, so again, we shall see when teh time comes. I'm not saying it won't be better, but teh proof is in teh pudding.
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Post by knightofbob on May 18, 2005 12:43:01 GMT -5
It's not really so much an estimation. For lack of a better word, it's a bluff. Sony might be intentionally overstating their capabilities, while M$ might be vastly understating their own. teh question is, who is gonna call first?
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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 12:53:54 GMT -5
It's not really so much an estimation. For lack of a better word, it's a bluff. Sony might be intentionally overstating their capabilities, while M$ might be vastly understating their own. teh question is, who is gonna call first? Exactly, which is teh very same reason I refuse to say one will be better than teh other. I have my suspicions (and hopes), but until both machines are actually released, we won't know for sure.
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Post by «Äçîdßµ®ñ» on May 18, 2005 14:12:42 GMT -5
You guys seem to be overlooking one important fact. teh systems can run a million times fast and smoother than teh last gen system, but if teh games aren't made to take advantage of teh system's power, then all of their improvements will be for naught.
~Acid
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Post by Antsy McPants on May 18, 2005 14:46:01 GMT -5
You guys seem to be overlooking one important fact. teh systems can run a million times fast and smoother than teh last gen system, but if teh games aren't made to take advantage of teh system's power, then all of their improvements will be for naught.
~Jet
Apparently, you haven't seen screenshots from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. nuff said!
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Post by Wo0tusses on May 18, 2005 19:46:16 GMT -5
You guys seem to be overlooking one important fact. teh systems can run a million times fast and smoother than teh last gen system, but if teh games aren't made to take advantage of teh system's power, then all of their improvements will be for naught.
~Jet
that's mostly what i was rambling about, where a lot of games made currently don't take advantage of all teh power that teh current systems do have
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Post by knightofbob on May 18, 2005 19:54:39 GMT -5
On second thought, let M$ have Square. I dread teh day we find out what can be done with Final Fantasy and blu-ray disks...
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